What you see and don't see in Italy

"Cé hé sin" (michael-m-mouse) 04/21/2016 at 18:01 • Filed to: Italy

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Mk1 Panda. They’re everywhere

Mk1 500. They’re nearly everywhere

Piaggio Ape. Absolutely everywhere

Ferrari. Absolutely nowhere. Never seen one there. No Lambos either.

kanadanmajava1 > Cé hé sin 04/21/2016 at 18:27

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Awesome! One Italian guy told me that every Italian city has at least one Mk1 500 enthusiast club.

Cé hé sin > kanadanmajava1 04/21/2016 at 18:37

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Very likely. One of the 500s I saw had the name of its particular club.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Cé hé sin 04/21/2016 at 18:48

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When I was in Italy, I had one taxi ride in a Lancia... and I’m pretty sure it was a Lancia Dedra:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancia_De…

smobgirl > Cé hé sin 04/21/2016 at 19:15

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Screw it, I’m moving to Italy so I can drool over microcars in peace.

Under_Score > Cé hé sin 04/21/2016 at 19:53

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Woah, was the Mk1 Panda produced by Menace???

ranwhenparked > Cé hé sin 04/21/2016 at 21:45

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Not to be pedantic, but I believe that’s actually a Mk2 500.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Cé hé sin 04/21/2016 at 22:22

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I am still in love with the classic 500, it may not be fast, but it makes up for it with character in spades! :)

Cé hé sin > ranwhenparked 04/22/2016 at 04:58

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You could so argue but that one’s usually called a Topolino.

ranwhenparked > Cé hé sin 04/22/2016 at 08:13

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That’s a nickname though, like Beetle. Fiat always sold it as the 500, which is why the iconic rear engine version was promoted as the “New 500" when it came out, to differentiate.

MultiplaOrgasms > ranwhenparked 04/22/2016 at 19:28

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Technically the Nuova’s the 4th gen.

ranwhenparked > MultiplaOrgasms 04/22/2016 at 19:34

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The Nuova 500 was the 1957-1975 generation, so 2nd. Or 3rd, if you want to count the Topolino’s 1949 facelift as significant enough to count as a new generation, but most don’t.

MultiplaOrgasms > ranwhenparked 04/22/2016 at 19:42

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From that perspective it’s not a new generation at all but rather its own self contained thing because the 600 is the actual 2nd gen 500. Which makes Cé Hé Sin’s objection the correct one. The Nuova Cinquecento was always more of a Quattrocentosettantanove anyway.

ranwhenparked > MultiplaOrgasms 04/22/2016 at 19:45

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“Generation” refers to multiple different designs of a car sharing the same nameplate. If a nameplate isn’t continued past the end of a product cycle, the next car isn’t a new generation of the same model, it’s a totally different car. The 600 more or less replaced the original 500, but it wasn’t a new 500, because it was called the 600.

Just like the Chevy Cobalt wasn’t a new generation Cavalier, it replaced the Cavalier, but it was a new nameplate.

MultiplaOrgasms > ranwhenparked 04/22/2016 at 20:00

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And the Nuova 500 wasn’t a new 500 either, it was much smaller (relative, we’re talking minicars here), had a different engine (air-cooled 2cyl vs water cooled 4cyl) and was of a completely different layout (RR vs FR). Fiat added the Nuova prefix for a reason.

By your logic this

would be the current generation of this

ranwhenparked > MultiplaOrgasms 04/22/2016 at 20:07

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Sort of, I guess, although Ford has altered the spelling, and the different 500s still occupied the same place Fiat’s lineup, whereas a full-size car and a small MPV are very different products.

MultiplaOrgasms > ranwhenparked 04/22/2016 at 20:08

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Not necessarily. Full size wagons are the de facto proto-minivans.

ranwhenparked > MultiplaOrgasms 04/22/2016 at 20:10

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But the Galaxie wasn’t a specialized wagon, it was a full range - sedans, hardtops, convertibles, and the wagon body style didn’t even account for the majority of sales. And the European Galaxy isn’t a full-size in it’s segment.

MultiplaOrgasms > ranwhenparked 04/22/2016 at 20:18

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It did the same jobs though. And euro Minivans don’t get much bigger than that, if you want more you’d be looking at actual Vans.

ranwhenparked > MultiplaOrgasms 04/22/2016 at 20:29

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More or less the same job, but in the same way that you can buy either a Miata or a ForTwo to commute to work. You can use a hatchback for family transportation as easily as you can use an MPV, doesn’t mean they are equivalent products.

Gareth > kanadanmajava1 05/03/2016 at 10:51

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I would like to drive around Italy